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[livejournal.com profile] mmegaera recently discussed a New York Times article in which David Streitfeld bemoans the state of the publishing industry and ties this to readers' book buying habits:

What's undermining the book industry is not the absence of casual readers but the changing habits of devoted readers.

In other words, it's all the fault of people like myself, who increasingly use the Internet both to buy books and later, after their value to us is gone, sell them.

The idea that people who purchase used books are responsible for the current economic woes of publishers sparked a fair amount of outrage over in [livejournal.com profile] mmegaera's journal, as we dissected the offending article and our dislike for the suggestion that we should feel guilty about making sound economic decisions when deciding how to buy books.

Here's what I had to say in my primary comment:

This isn't the first time I've come across the idea that by buying used books we are cheating authors (and, now, publishers) of their due. It's easy to fall prey to the idea and I felt the author of the article handled it less bombastically than many.

One idea that is often lost in the criticism of buying used books is the fact that in order for there to be a used book, there must have been someone who first bought the book new. Those of us who buy used books (and I often did when I could still afford to, now I simply use the library), do so because we can buy many used books for the price of a single new one. Or, because we can manage a single used book, when we can't buy even one new one. It's simple economics. In hard times, whether they are personal hard times, or hard times for many, we tighten our belts and buy used whenever we can. It applies to books, but also to many other things.

It is odd, though, that we find articles in which people brag about the wonderful bargains they've found at the second hand store, in clothes, shoes, furniture, and what have you, and make of this practice a virtue (part of the environmental trio, reduce, reuse, recycle), while those of us who do the same with books are criticized for contributing to the downfall of an industry.

BTW, in the full interests of disclosure, my husband buys books and resells them on Amazon. He was, at one time a book scout, who brought books to used book stores. Later, he owned his own used book store. He's also been the manager of a chain book store. The books he buys from estate sales, yard sales, library sales, and thrift stores can't help the author or the publisher, they've already done that, but they can help our family out during these hard times. So, I hope that all who read this will realize that there is no reason for guilt about buying used.


As if the whole guilt trip wasn't bad enough, I was greeted by a comment by Matthew Selznick on LinkedIn's Just for Writers group about A Movement To Charge Used Booksellers and Change Copyright Law. His post in the group discussion area led me to his recent blog post on this subject.

I find the idea of imposing a resale fee upon used books, or any other kind of media, entirely unreasonable. After all, if I buy a car, then decide to sell it, I'm not expected to pay a fee that will go to the car designer or manufacturer; it's mine, to do with as I like. The designer and manufacturer have already been paid for their work and don't expect to be paid again. To expect used book sellers to pay such a fee to support the authors and publishers who have already been paid for their work is discriminatory and ridiculous.

The argument that, somehow, intellectual properties are being endangered by the market in used books seems quite a far stretch and I sincerely hope that no one takes it seriously. The new and used book markets, as Selznick points out, are not so much competitive, as mutually supportive. The used book market can't exist without new books, with every used book sold representing a new book sold, and the new book market is improved by the sale of used books. As Selznick's blog post pointed out, used book sales drive new book sales, as anyone who's ever bought a used book by an author they didn't know and liked it enough to search out additional books by that author, even when this meant purchasing them new. So, it's clear that this movement isn't about compensating authors--they've already been compensated for that sale (and there's no other business that expects to receive a portion of the sale of used items)--but about something else. There are a number of proposed changes to copyright law that I've heard of in recent years that increasingly act to limit our access to information, which leads me to a very cynical view of this proposal.

I also think the consequences of such changes would be absolutely disastrous to everyone concerned, ultimately lowering the compensation to authors for their works while also driving most small used book sellers out of business. Independent brick and mortar book stores, including those selling used books, are becoming increasing rare due to the competition of big box stores. Many of the used book sellers on Amazon either use Amazon sales to supplement their store sales, have given up a physical store entirely, or are very small mom-and-pop operations getting by on a shoestring. The sale of used books online is actually far more labor intensive than most people realize. Anything that requires more record keeping will be an undue burden. But, beyond that, the so-called "fair percentage" will make these already only marginally profitable sales less profitable, so that many businesses will simply have to stop selling used books entirely, or may even have to go out of business.

ETA: For more information about the Novelists Inc. position on used book sales, see their articles, Amazon.com's policy of promoting used books in competition with new book sales (in which they are joined by The Authors Guild) and Used Book Sales.

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Date: 2009-01-03 04:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pdlloyd.livejournal.com
Maybe if we all shout together? 1, 2, 3: An extra fee on the sale of used books discourages the reuse of books and encourages the destruction of trees, without benefiting anyone.

It's sad to me to think that most of the book donations a library receives would go straight to the library book sale. Right now, I'm thinking of a certain donation recently made to the library here, with the intent and hope that the books would be placed on the shelves.

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Date: 2009-01-03 05:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmegaera.livejournal.com
Most of the donations a library receives are either a) books the library already has multiple copies of, b) books that don't meet the library's needs (for a public library, these include old textbooks, outdated encyclopedias, and Reader's Digest Condensed Books, among others), or c) in bad enough physical condition that they're not worth the processing.

The only time I ever added more than 10% of a donation session to the library was when we got sixty boxes of books from a woman who was going into assisted living. Her boxes were full of mint-condition pictorials and natural history books from around the world (I envied her the traveling she must have done to acquire such a collection). Those boxes were like a combination of Christmas and Aladdin's cave, and I will never see their like again.

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Date: 2009-01-03 06:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pdlloyd.livejournal.com
It also depends upon the library. On discussing this with some friends of mine I learned that the policy of our local library is to accept only new books. Even out-of-print used books in mint condition on the "want list" are turned over to the local Friends of the Library organization to be resold, rather than added to the collection. *feels mystified*

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Date: 2009-01-03 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmegaera.livejournal.com
That seems to be going a bit overboard IME, but perhaps they got burned by some used books in the past that appeared to be mint condition but which fell apart right after cataloging, or which had some sort of defacement that wasn't noticed until a patron pointed it out or something.

Who knows?

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Date: 2009-01-03 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pdlloyd.livejournal.com
Not me. But, as a patron, it leaves me feeling just a bit cheated.

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Date: 2009-01-04 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] core-opsis.livejournal.com
That really seems bizarre. Who is the world is going to give the library new books?

I find this whole discussion very upsetting (and want to know who I should write to about it). I spent my entire young-adulthood with a no-stepping-even-one-foot-into-bookstores (that sold new books). That was the only way I could keep to my budget. Libraries, books from thrift shops and garage sales had to do.

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Date: 2009-01-04 05:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pdlloyd.livejournal.com
You're right. I suspect that most book donations to libraries are used books from people's personal collections. There are, however, a few philanthropists out there, willing to give new books to libraries, including some authors who hang out here on LJ. Author Joshua Palmatier ([livejournal.com profile] jpsorrow) recently held a Spirit of Giving contest (http://jpsorrow.livejournal.com/172643.html) in which he asked his flist to help him gather donation information for their local libraries, to each of which he sent copies of The Skewed Throne and The Cracked Throne and, in at least one instance (his offer wasn't good enough for my persnickety library) two sets. In exchange for our helping him be generous, he held a random drawing from among those who got the contact information to him, the winner of which received a hardback set of the entire trilogy (which included the two books already mentioned, plus The Vacant Throne.

Some of the people I've spoken to about this have suggested that the possibility of such a fee holding up in court seems to be unlikely. I know they explained their reasoning (based on legal precedents, etc.), but those explanations didn't stick well enough for me to pass them along. Also, there will always be used books available as I don't imagine for a minute that it would have an effect on garage sales. As proposed, library sales are also excluded, so they would continue, and books more than two years old (the vast majority of used books) would still be excluded. But, I also find the proposal disturbing in a very Orwellian fashion, the kind of thing that acts as the toe in the door, and so I felt compelled to spread the word.

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Date: 2009-01-04 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pdlloyd.livejournal.com
Oh. You asked who you should write to. At this point, I'm not sure what the best approach is. You could share the information in your journal or any other blogs you write. You could also post a comment to Matthew Wayne Selznick's post about this (http://www.mattselznick.com/blog/scribtotum/2008/12/30/novelists-inc-discourages-readers-from-discovering-authors-wants-to-cripple-used-book-sellers/). You could even contact Ninc () to express your opposition to their proposal.

Is it time to contact congressional leaders? Well, maybe not. When I ran a quick Google search (http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&client=pub-4099951843714863&cof=FORID%3A1%3BGL%3A1%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.hyperwords.net%2F%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.hyperwords.net%2Fhy-for-google.gif%3BLH%3A100%3BLW%3A100%3BLBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLP%3A1%3BLC%3A%230033cc%3BVLC%3A%23333333%3BGALT%3A%23999999%3B&q=%22Secondary+Sale%22+fee+US+legislation+%22used+books%22&btnG=Search) a few minutes ago, it turned up only a few references. It may be that this is one of those times when a few people make a bit of noise which is quickly dissipated without making any real change. In which case, maybe it's better to just keep an eye on the situation, rather than to keep the news active.
Edited Date: 2009-01-04 05:46 pm (UTC)

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